Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. We just never saw him do it. (1)Zilpha was hurt from rejection, plus she no longer had no backup because she killed her husband. I think James recognized that Zilpha wasn't really like him in that she truly believed in religion and God. Earth: The properties of magic in this show has been heavy with spirit, water, and fire. With Russell Westbrook likely to leave, the Rockets were hoping that they will get to keep Harden. The earliest copy of the Infancy Gospel of James is a text discovered in 1958 and dating to the 4th century. Zilpha did that of her own volition, which ironically makes her seem insane as he rejected her, in a passionate way. also zilpha's entire storyline could have been edited out and not even affected james' grand scheme - she was kept intentionally seperate from his schemes (by the writers) which feels so lazy? So with Zilpha, the reason he doesn’t want her a part of it is he doesn’t think she is his sort of person. If you pay attention these flashbacks happen as some kind of 'spider sense' as a warning of danger in other scenes. A devout Christian." My theory - is that as children, they were horribly neglected by their father and mostly raised by servants. Adventurer, sailor and enigma. She has advised the Americans to accept the monopoly James wants against Nootka. NBA Free Agency 2020: Why did James Harden reject the offer to become 1st player to earn $50mn salary? And you’re not going to move forward spiritually, because you’re having sex with your sister to punish your father for killing me. I feel like the storyline had a lot potential but they decided to just drop it because it seems Knight has a problem with any female character that isn't 100% submissive to the male lead (Peaky Blinders also has the same problem). Her demise was ridiculous and James suddenly getting over her came of nowhere. She had lost everything that mattered to her. Not up to my expectations, but my expectations were very, very high. i'm not saying it's right to manipulate james, but it was definitely a little different to the trash we see done to chick on tv on the daily - and just, with how toxic and complex this relationship felt? It did really remind me of the videotape in True Detective and I don't think this was written in a void. James: They're my rocks now. Cookies help us deliver our Services. It certainly did that. She had lost everything that mattered to her. Which James laughs at. She's dead. I think he saw it as a game they were playing, that Zilpha could just shrug off her respectable life whenever she was ready. It appears she did. Zilpha did that of her own volition, which ironically makes her seem insane as he rejected her, in a passionate way. Or in a drunken, water infused magic moment, did James use her guts to auger some answers? James talks to the dead. • Zilpha might be a dead woman walking, but her wardrobe remains magnificent. James: They're my rocks now. Her husband has paid an exorcist. Starring Tom Hardy as adventurer James Keziah Delaney who builds his own shipping empire in the early 1800s. When she showed up all frenzied and beaten saying she had killed her husband he realized that she wasn't playing a game. So, no, I don't think she is dead. There are echoes of The King in Yellow's unreliable narrator schtick in James' madness. Don’t worry, buddy — flashback dick happens to a lot of guys. Zilpha – “I was thinking, and … We didn't see her die. Both of which destroyed her from the inside out. i needed the writers to give a shit about zilpha. Married to Thorne Geary. The series was created by Steven Knight, Tom Hardy, and his father, Chips Hardy, based on a story written by Tom and Chips Hardy. Zilpha's husband's pistol was loaded with gunpowder, but no ball. He said "she would sing" to him if she was dead and he would see it. Chaplin’s latest role—as Tom Hardy’s character’s married half-sister, Zilpha, in FX’s new series Taboo—is literally more buttoned-up than the free-wheeling Lady Stark. sort of tells me that's probably how it played out. Your simplistic ASSUMED interps are as WTF to me jumping logic assuming motivations yet denying the shown actions and said things in the same breath by Zilpha & James. Also, James dug her freakin husband's grave and he's not even worried about finding her body to give her a funeral? ', since you seem to think you have some "SPECIAL IN' on how the writer/producers are making this story, wow you just enlightened me, YOU SEE EVERY THING CORRECT in this show. He saw her as just like him, someone who was free from societal trappings, in control and self-possessed, maybe she was like him when they were younger. The show would have been better served if they'd used a different plot device than incest to inject some gripping family drama into the proceedings and while there's nothing 'romantic' about incest, James could have been just as fucked up chasing skirt elsewhere. And when she finally decided to kill Thorne, she had said that James had told her to do that and he never had. zilpha x james had so much potential, was so complex, could have been explored. So if you see women like that, you might as well be having sex with me.” That shock completely pulls him out. I felt as if her story with James war really strangely contrived. Is she really dead? Ravens carry the souls of the dead to...odd speculation thread on Reddit. James Delaney has seemingly lost everything but, when he suffers a devastating betrayal, he realises even his freedom is in jeopardy. This leaves her with no emotional back up or love, ergo chose suicide, EXACTLY AS YOU SAID. Or maybe she turned against him or something. Now that season 2 is confirmed, I expect one of two things: 1- Zilpha will haunt James persistently throughout his upcoming adventures, and it will affect him far more than the other dead people he sees/hears. Delaney questions her death and it seemed to come out of nowhere and happened rather quickly...Im just not believing that they built up this storyline over 8 episodes and just extinguished it with no explanation or conclusion. we had the strong feeling that zilpha had more control in that relationship, honestly i think we thought that too because the relationship would feel more acceptable for us if we didn't think james (as the older brother) was exploiting his younger sister, so the hints throughout the season (like you mentioned the church) show zilpha in control to the point where she's even playing games with him (that church scene was a power play if there ever was one) sort of confirmed this for us which was a relief (because purely from a standpoint as a woman we didn't want to see ANOTHER relationship that had those kind of undertones that suggest a woman was being manipulated. if you're gonna give us an incestuous relationship, don't tease us - do it and do it properly. Him morning her after she"sang" to him wasn't a surprise. She was never going to board the ship, she wasn’t right. She killed herself. There’s a forbidden longing, and lust pulling them together like two magnets even though they are half brother and sister. Having Steven Knight, Tom Hardy, and such interesting subject matter, I was expecting Taboo to be fantastic. james pursued her wildly, awakening the feelings/affections that she buried for her own safety/reputation/sanity and contributing to her madness in turn. Anyone else annoyed as hell at the swift shunting off of Zilpha as a nutter who commits suicide(no need to write for her character into the next season), conveniently James is all nearly religious anti-his love lust for her by the writers making it seem he's horrified realizing it's Oedipal wanting to fuck his mother by fucking Zilpha so tells her to Screw off good bye, and that's why they fuck is from hate of their mother/Father seeing it in each other? Zilpha did that of her own volition, which ironically makes her seem insane as he rejected her, in a passionate way. When Zilpha tries to push James away he basically tells her that is impossible because of the “great big river that connects them” and says “I will always be this close to you, won’t I?”. you can love someone and still resent them). Jumping from that bridge doesn't necessarily kill you anyway, it's not like it was the Golden Gates bridge. She wasn't like him, she was similar to Brace in that her feelings for him/his presence drove her to do things she probably wouldn't be able to live with. You didn't even use that as a better explanation. She gives the child to James, and James leaves the child with some random guy to care for. Polly is one of the strongest characters. I too felt that this particular turn of events was...inadequate. Why James Delaney has done any of this is anybody’s guess. Actress Ooona Chapman, who plays the character James Delaney’s half-sister Zilpha has deep dark eyes that exquisitely express the untold longings central to Taboo’s plotline. So it was hard to sympathize for them or root for them. In addition, your last comment, The VERY ending as James was killing the US spy he visioned seeing and kissing Kilpha's spirit in which earlier James SAID IF HE'D ENVISION HER SPIRIT HE'D KNOW SHE WAS DEAD, - HE THEN IN THAT LATER SCENE ENVISIONED KISSING HER DEAD F'ING SPIRIT - HE KNOWS SHE'S DEAD. Weird. Now I don't agree with incest, but I'm so tired of everyone putting this all on James and saying Zilpha is a victim. There towards the end, he does see it. So yeah, not entirely convinced by James yet. Shrouded in mystery and preceded by wild rumours. She even made a joke about him being gay. The Infancy Gospel of James (also known as “The Gospel of James” or “The Protoevangelium of James”), is believed by scholars to have been written in the 2nd century. But it was confirmed minutes after Thorne died. TrueMikki17 ... Kristall Rin 32,352 views. 2- It will be revealed that hatching masterful plans isn't just a James Delaney specialty. It's too soon to let her die. "The tide won't bring her back". They knew each other’s madness and she kind of stepped across an unwritten line between the two of them. She had submitted herself to a respectable life that he had compromised. Chris “Holy Spirit” Sawin @evilbutters. So the clear implications of James seeing his witch mother while he fucks his sister and his sister looking possessed witchy IS a PROBLEM for you!? Press J to jump to the feed. This act was Zilpha giving into James completely, and it was only when they consummated their lust that James saw its damaging effects for what it was. In the scene where she was walking on the bridge before she "fell" off, she looked up and saw the raven and smiled a little. She could have some plot in London, or it could be that she tries to follow Delaney and he meets her again. We could get a thread going. But this was too far-fetched, full of holes, silly dialogue, terrible acting and for the most part laughable. Well AIONCAN, Troll posting below Cursing at my open IMHO opinion by saying 'WTF? Chris “Holy Spirit” Sawin @evilbutters. It … Especially that scene in the church where he's just sitting there and she sits on his lap. Taboo is a BBC television drama series produced by Scott Free London and Hardy Son & Baker. Nonsense. And..I thought her plan to kill her husband went pretty well, so she can plan. if you know any of the fic writers for this pair it seems that we all had the same idea on how they developed. Taboo Season 1 Episode 8 Review. Then, they have sex and he starts to see his mother and his mother is basically saying, “No, just realize this isn’t love — this is obsession. she shoots herself) or show her body? Honestly, even the writers might haven't decided it yet and it could also depend on the actress willingness and availability. And she hustles over to talk with James. Similarly to Brace she would not have been able to handle the freedom that James embraces. It aired on BBC One in the United Kingdom, on 7 January 2017 and on FX in the United States, on 10 January 2017.A second series was announced during March 2017. She was my least favorite character and I was glad to see her go tbh. Why did the EIC wait until now to blow up James’s ship, when its ownership and location — like that of his office, his house, and his sister’s house — is a matter of public record? Knight has a problem with any female character that isn't 100% submissive to the male lead. Im unsure of the motivation that would lead her to do this but why show that scene? Zilpha was a very interesting character but I felt we barely knew her and we had to fill in the blanks. What do you guys think? Zilpha killing herself seems perfectly in line with what we have learned of her mental state. If it is James and Zilpha's child, though, maybe shame makes James not want to see him again. They knew each other’s madness and she kind of stepped across an unwritten line between the two of them. On a lighter note, anyone care to write some fan fiction? mother and they as PreTeen started having sex pretending similarity identicalness and love. No, James had a … If you're going to include a copycat incest storyline for the sake of titillation then at least make it interesting and authentic. Poor Winter! Something I thought odd was before rejecting her and giving the pity diamond he specifically mentions that she should blame her God for the removal of the bond. Permalink: They're my rocks now. I didn't see any of that. Concluding Thoughts on Taboo Season 1. James revealed that he had discovered Dumbarton's true intentions and his alliance with the East India Company. And I think this is reason enough to keep her in the show. In FX’s new show, Taboo, produced and co-written by star Tom Hardy, the Noble Savage is James Delaney (Hardy), a British citizen returned from a long absence in Africa, to claim his inheritance after his father’s death. The "Taboo" finale was mostly well received by the twitter audience, however, it also triggered strong feelings from citizens of Shat Nation: anger over Zilpha's death, frustration over plot holes, curiosity about James Delaney's mental state, and hope for a "Taboo" season 2 and beyond. So Zilpha knows nothing of what happened to her boy. Zilpha killing herself seems perfectly in line with what we have learned of her mental state. Taboo’s first season abandons that question along with the question of whether James can really hear the dead, dismissing it as “a question to be asked and answered in America.” Too many questions are left unanswered. FX/BBC miniseries Taboo. Starring Tom Hardy as adventurer James Keziah Delaney who builds his own shipping empire in the early 1800s. Also you have to factor in the mindset of Victorian society. Zilphas character was very underwritten.I hated James complete 180 turn towards her.She was written for the shock value and then dropped.I think your right with Step mummy lol,she instantly cares for James for reasons??? The Oscar nominee plays James Delaney, who returns to London in 1814 from Africa, after 10 years vowing to get revenge for his father’s murder. zilpha isn't supposed to be some weepy wife in the end, when we were watching this show we wanted her to gain her strength, to move out from beneath her husband's shadow, not to get swallowed up in james'. I'm assuming, of course, that the boy is the product of Delaney and Zilpha's taboo relationship. James Delaney character is the most intriguing in a long time, Taboo story is so addictive that it is unthinkable that they only give us one season. They wanted to shock the audience and make the show seem darker and edgier than it ended up being. And when she finally decided to kill Thorne, she had said that James had told her to do that and he never had. But you want the more wholesome PURE horny sibling sex and his witch mom accidentally just walked in/haunted trolled James on purpose to get him to stop. HARDY: The nature of his relationship with his sister had more to do with obsession than genuine love. The letter she wrote may have seems loving, but i think it was done to wound James. It is just good. James Kezia Delaney returned unexpectedly from Africa after 10 years presumed dead. (2)He gets the flashbacks/images of his witch-mother while they're having sex. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The incest was the Taboo. Zylpha had faked her death to attain a certain goal/go to a certain place and it will have major impacts on the upcoming events. I think it was evident in her letter to him at the end. Seeing the quality of the writing throughout the 8 episodes, and the attention to detail, it's hard for me to think they'd do all those scenes and character development between Zilpha and James only for her to end her life so abruptly and quickly. She's dead the whole scene when he kills the doctor proves it. • Zilpha might be a dead woman walking, but her wardrobe remains magnificent. I love Tom Hardy and Steven Knight's peaky blinders remains to me the greatest show on earth, it was just such a blow to me to be so let down in such an unexpected way. I just felt mildly alarmed for them and embarrassed at everyone finding out. James and Zilpha didn't even need to have sex, I would have been so much more satisfied if they'd just TALKED for once. If you’ve been watching Taboo from the beginning, you’ve been waiting for shit to get really bizarre. While Taboo seems to be telling a revenge story, it seems much more interested in exploring the complicated family drama between Zilpha and James. we all had the same instinct, which was that zilpha was the one who initiated the relationship from a young age, or atleast was the one that called the shots - as with the 'straightening the skirts' comment suggests, she could begin intimacy with james and just as abruptly decide when to end it. You shouldn't watch deep shows requiring mental focus, education, psychological and sociological understanding and then go demean other's posts. In the last, and very much least, of the available roles was Zilpha Geary, estranged half-sister to the brooding James Delaney. The series was created by Steven Knight, Tom Hardy, and his father, Chips Hardy, based on a story written by Tom and Chips Hardy. From what we got onscreen there just wasn't enough there for me to invest in any type of relationship with those two. Did she drown herself? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I totally get what you are saying but it seems too obvious. So I thought Id start a board for people to talk about the incestuous relationship that James and Zilpha have. James and Zilpha hook up. But when James wakes up the next morning in the mud, Winter is found dead. I think the writer's intention with the deaths of Winter and Zilpha were to illustrate how the innocent/beloved people in James' life get hurt unintentionally, thereby reinforcing that he's a bad dude and you should stay away. I feel they got cold feet during the time they were filming and decided to go into another direction. No, James had a … I agree, I felt their relationship was more complex than just incest - though this show's handling of that plot line says I'm wrong. If they get a second season, the writing and story would be impressive if they surprise us with Zilpha having had some master plan of her own. James freaks out, nearly chokes Zilpha, and flees the bedroom before their family reunion reaches its climax. He would never express this, but maybe somewhere deep down, he wanted her to escape from him. I mean if they want to kill a main character, why not show her death, pick a less ambiguous death (e.g. But while James was making deals to secure his freedom, his poor sister Zilpha couldn’t deal with hers. Unable to accept the death of his beloved Zilpha, James was comforted by Lorna. which felt so unfair and alienating? His rejection of her, his severing of their relationship, was too much for her to deal with, and to escape the pain and the longing she felt within the cage of her life, she decided the only way to slip its bars was to kill herself. And Zilpha makes it clear that James’ strangling of her the episode prior was ok. That they just have to take it slower… and that they have all the time in the world. With Tom Hardy, David Hayman, Ruby-May Martinwood, Louis Ashbourne Serkis. Zilpha did that of her own volition, which ironically makes her seem insane as he rejected her, in a passionate way. Which leaves us with the question of Lorna. The Houston Rockets are desperately trying to cling on to their star guard - James Harden. tells me that might be true. If he feels any shame - he seems to be immune from finer feelings. And it's very clear from what I've seen in the show that the sex they have is consensual. We see wind when James uses the dust. All verbal the references to their love was really more concerning their sexual attraction and not their actual feelings for each other. She was certainly willing but he lost all interest after their little sex session and had those visions. The "Taboo" finale was mostly well received by the twitter audience, however, it also triggered strong feelings from citizens of Shat Nation: anger over Zilpha's death, frustration over plot holes, curiosity about James Delaney's mental state, and hope for a "Taboo" season 2 and beyond. James appeared to flick away something from his shoulder after being shot. 3 Min Read. As half siblings and they were probably kept from each other as NORMAL siblings, see Wiki on Westermark Effect (cause/cancelling incest thus social normalizing siblings). Also Read: 16 'Taboo' Main Characters, Ranked by How Dirty They Are (Photos) But Delaney, it turned out, was not simply motivated by some kind of nihilistic rage. Like James, Taboo encounters out-and-out evil as a mere obstacle to be effortlessly surmounted in the race to the finish line. When he recognizes someone he has use for, it’s true. Taboo Episode 2 Recap: James makes plans and his enemies try to thwart them Wed Jan 18, 2017 at 5:09pm ET Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 5:09 pm EDT By James Wray Leave a comment Zilpha isn't supposed to be a complete victim, being with james was supposed to give her agency not further diminish her, you know? Like when Winter was murdered, it seemed so obvious James did it, given all of the things we were shown. I wanted them to show me some connection between the two outside of the dramatic stares and deep breathing. I could be wrong but from what I've surmised is that she most likely came onto him. I think the storyline fell flat to me because of the lack of detail or backstory. James leaves, but they are both full of mistrust for the other. line. She is extraordinarily good. Should be short and to the point. I think he sees the light after that.". because in those days it wasn't uncommon for men of 30 to marry girls as young as 14; from a young age Girls were raised to be subservient to men, and treated like property or second class citizens. Not sure if that hints at the exorcism having some impact or not but seemed an odd thing for him to say. James paid a visit to Dumbarton at St Bartholomew's Hospital, and the doctor made him drink laudanum diluted with burdock to relieve his pain. I believe after the funeral, he went to say, “That’s it — I want nothing to do with you.” Instead of that, he says, “Take that f—ing dress off,” which just came out of his mouth, like somebody trying not to go back to their primary addiction or obsession. I don't think that's what happened. I'm glad they can evoke this sort of stuff without going full-on supernatural. I couldn't get invested in their relationship, it was too one sided for most of the series. Friday, 25 December 2020, 07:54 EST. There was no immediate Spooky DANGER going to happen to explain that James vision AT EXACTLY WHEN THEY had sex, than a Oedipal one. James had plenty of opportunities to kill Thorne, but he didn’t because Zilpha didn’t want him to — he wanted her to leave him. He also says they used to speak to each other without talking in dark corners and they are the same person. It could have been the wadding, which is pressed down in the barrel to compact the gunpowder, to not only stop it falling out, but necessary to make it explode. That's why she 'committed suicide''. I say Zilpha probably heard of him saw him and fantasized snuck into his part of the grounds made separate due to his crazy Nat.Am. Also Read: 16 'Taboo' Main Characters, Ranked by How Dirty They Are (Photos) But Delaney, it turned out, was not simply motivated by some kind of nihilistic rage. It's the same reason why the cannibal aspect was never mentioned again after episode 3. Certainly in season 1. James decides that it must include safe passage in the American blocus. Armed with the opportunity they have been longing for, the Crown and Company conspire to bring him down once and for all. (I'm hoping for something along these lines). I really hope not. And for all the people who say that it wasn't consensual when she was a child. Taboo is a BBC television drama series produced by Scott Free London and Hardy Son & Baker. She's dead. 4:27. I think it was more than him just losing interest, something changed. If she was dead he would hear her singing. It aired on BBC One in the United Kingdom, on 7 January 2017 and on FX in the United States, on 10 January 2017. Lorna had a few cheeky digs at James. James rejected ZILPHA EXACTLY AS YOU STATE, wtf? and this is not necessarily a problem with people blaming james, it's blaming the minds behind this show for sacrificing content and development so they could have a self congratulatory 8 episode long wank about 'maintaining suspense' and creating 'mystery'. Taboo Quotes. FX/BBC miniseries Taboo. Why is KNOWN Oedipal psychology DISGUSTING when in story canon overtly James/Zilpha is ALSO incest ergo Taboo disgusting anyway anti-social norms? I imagine she will be back if there is another season and will haunt James like every other person that had died. We never actually saw her die and no body, and Delaney didn't seem to be fully convinced either. LMAO. What appears to be a re-run of last week's outing takes a diverting turn in the final act. Created by Steven Knight with Tom Hardy and Chips Hardy, the drama series Taboo is set in 1814 and follows James Keziah Delaney (Tom Hardy), a … Because she's not. 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